(My thoughts IN a GENERAL SENSE; it's not my intent to start a racial thread) To make the simple truth even simpler...our good white athletes can be proficient at blocking, throwing, and running tough. Good black athletes can, thus, be held at bay and even outmanned in football. However, in bball, white guys will get outjumped for rebounds and outmaneuvered to the hole on drives. And especially in close games where a couple of possessions make the difference, our guys will not get the offensive boards or create their own shots for the win. The 2 sports are different and the inherent abilities of the types of athletes we are able to attract have more strengths for the game of football than they do for hoops.

Conosticator wrote:

I grew up in a rural area of Oregon. Basketball and wrestling were what one did to pass the time between hunting and fishing seasons.

My first three years at BYU I took a week off from school each fall semester to return to Eastern Oregon for deer season. I usually provide rides to a couple of others doing the same thing. Got a "B" in my Fall Semeseter Calc 141 class because the prof didn't have his priorities straight. :unsure:

Wait a minute. What part of Oregon are you from Conosticator? You went to EOU for a semester. I am from LaGrande.

MizzouCoug wrote:

(My thoughts IN a GENERAL SENSE; it's not my intent to start a racial thread) To make the simple truth even simpler...our good white athletes can be proficient at blocking, throwing, and running tough. Good black athletes can, thus, be held at bay and even outmanned in football. However, in bball, white guys will get outjumped for rebounds and outmaneuvered to the hole on drives. And especially in close games where a couple of possessions make the difference, our guys will not get the offensive boards or create their own shots for the win. The 2 sports are different and the inherent abilities of the types of athletes we are able to attract have more strengths for the game of football than they do for hoops.

Or maybe it's just that football is a little bit more popular in LDS culture (because of BYU's sustained success throughout the 80's) so our very best athletes end up playing football instead of basketball.

I think BYU has some pretty good athletes in basketball, they just don't have anyone who can take control of a game. That's one thing UNLV had this year in wink adams that BYU did not have.

Cougarbib2 wrote:

Basketball lost in the first round for the same reason they lost in the first round last year. They got a lousy match-up. Last year, Xavier narrowly beat BYU and then in their next game showed that were probably quite good for where they were seeded. THis year, Texas A&M narrowly beats BYU and then comes within seconds of knocking off the #1 seed.

Now UNLV got a nice match-up again but showed that they were nowhere near as good as A&M becasue they got killed in the 2nd round.

Maybe it is a coincidence, but BYU usually gets a bad seed, a bad match-up, a bad location, or all of the above in the NCAA Tournament after finishing the MWC Tournament on the opponent's home court.

Any word on Plaisted. Next year's team could be special enough to overcome all of this if Fredette is back and Plaisted is back to help out Cummard, Tavenari, and crew. Any of those four players has a legitimate shot at all MWC. That is too many from one team, so two would get 1st team and two would hvae to settle for 2nd team or honorable mention.

Go Cougs

Football
Basketball
Volleyball
Baseball
Softball

Too bad we didn't play in Tampa, some magic happened there in the first round!

detmer4prez wrote:

Conosticator wrote:

I grew up in a rural area of Oregon. Basketball and wrestling were what one did to pass the time between hunting and fishing seasons.

My first three years at BYU I took a week off from school each fall semester to return to Eastern Oregon for deer season. I usually provide rides to a couple of others doing the same thing. Got a "B" in my Fall Semeseter Calc 141 class because the prof didn't have his priorities straight. :unsure:

Wait a minute. What part of Oregon are you from Conosticator? You went to EOU for a semester. I am from LaGrande.

I'm from northwestern Oregon. We went deer hunting in Eastern Oregon. I'd drive up to John Day from Provo to go hunting for a week during Fall Semester. Never went to EOU, though. Sorry for not making myself clear. I always thought that if I was to live in Eastern Oregon that I'd pick La Grande. My first choice would be Halfway but there aren't may high tech jobs there...

http://halfwaycam.dyndns.org/

When I talk about discipline, I'm not talking about how hard the players work. The players can work really hard but without team discipline, its all for not. This BYU team has worked very hard and has enough talent to play with the big boys, but the team isn't disciplined. When I watched BYU this year (especially against UNLV), I saw sloppyness all over the court. I saw players take 3's when their was an open lane, I saw picks set against them the wern't picked up, I saw opponents left wide open for 3's, and I saw no inside game. Rose has to discipline his team to improve. The telent's there, the discipline isn't.