dshelley wrote:

The newspaper article doesn't say much. Does anyone know the details?

Maybe this time it was an orange mocha frapiccino with a shot of espresso on the side

dshelley wrote:

The newspaper article doesn't say much. Does anyone know the details?

I agree, but it sounded like he's at leat been running late to team meetings, practices, etc.

The saddest thing about Kessman isn't that he's a prima donna, spoiled amateur athlete. It's that it seems like he has a father who enables, possibly even encourages his behavior. I don't know all the details obviously, but it seems to me that if Kessman's dad would have tried to be a good parent to his son, instead of a good agent, things may have turned out differently for Kessman.

Jared Cowley

The thing that somewhat puzzles me is, or maybe I should say is a philosphical question...when athletes leave BYU football or are kicked off the team because they either a) violated a team rule/honor code or b) knew they likely would, most often their careers come to a skidding hault entirely. Is this a reflection of each individual athlete and their personal abilities to live by the rules, sacrifice and work hard? Or is it the lingering affects of leaving a religious school with strict behavior expectations (ie, damaged reputation, ego, dignity, self esteem)? Very few have left BYU to go on to productive careers at another college. The Kessman situation seems a bit stupid really, on his part, not the school's. So maybe it was an innocent latte or cup o' joe, the fact is it was a rule that he should have known and signed his name to. Getting upset at BYU for kicking off the team doesn't necessarily mean they are the only school with rules. Rather than learning the lesson and bettering one's self, some of these athletes take out their mistakes on BYU and then go on to...make more mistakes. And unfortunately, by then it may be too late and their college career dreams are gone.

Amen to slugger's comments. I don't know what happened but they don't do this without reason. Knew a kid pretty well who BYU recruited several years who was disaster waiting to happen. Well he lasted through Dec or so his freshman year and was gone. No surprise to anyone who knew him. But why did BYU insist on recruiting people who, falling off the rule wagon is just a matter of time, not if at all. I would be interested to hear the why of this one, if anyone knows. It seems last time his dad did all the crying of him to whoever would listen.

Slugger wrote:

The thing that somewhat puzzles me is, or maybe I should say is a philosphical question...when athletes leave BYU football or are kicked off the team because they either a) violated a team rule/honor code or b) knew they likely would, most often their careers come to a skidding hault entirely. Is this a reflection of each individual athlete and their personal abilities to live by the rules, sacrifice and work hard? Or is it the lingering affects of leaving a religious school with strict behavior expectations (ie, damaged reputation, ego, dignity, self esteem)? Very few have left BYU to go on to productive careers at another college. The Kessman situation seems a bit stupid really, on his part, not the school's. So maybe it was an innocent latte or cup o' joe, the fact is it was a rule that he should have known and signed his name to. Getting upset at BYU for kicking off the team doesn't necessarily mean they are the only school with rules. Rather than learning the lesson and bettering one's self, some of these athletes take out their mistakes on BYU and then go on to...make more mistakes. And unfortunately, by then it may be too late and their college career dreams are gone.

It is not always the case that athletes leave BYU after some mistakes and go on to repeat them. How about Reno Mahe? Didn't he leave after some issues, went to a JC and then came back to have a great BYU career and continues to make it in the NFL? I think it really depends on the character of student-athlete involved.