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Re:BYU athlete doesn't attend church--gets kicked out 7 Months, 1 Week ago Karma: -2  
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By the way, I have talked to people on the team about this situation, and they say the coaches have already discussed it with them. Some of the players know the stake president and say that he is a "hardliner," for whatever that may be worth. In any event, the players know that they are to keep their ecclisiastical endorsements current. As for nonmember not attending any church, yes, that happens. I guess, in this regard, the members are held to a higher standard.


Kearl is a hardliner, both from an ecclesiastical and academic standpoint. I took his Econ 110 class and was a (brief) member of his stake.

Cruiser, you are right -- non-LDS students are not required to attend religious meetings as often as LDS students. The Honor Code states:

"Those individuals who are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are also expected to maintain the same standards of conduct, except church attendance."

http://honorcode.byu.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3585

 
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OLB wrote:
Mars wrote:
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...it doesn't do the program any good if that recruit never makes it onto the field because they can't live by the Honor Code.

Your response shows that you didn't read the article linked above. You should.


Actually, I did read the article ... it is you that didn't read my post. Your lack of attention to my posts is becoming tiresome.

Not attending Church meetings is a violation of the Honor Code. That is why his Bishop/Stake President yanked his endorsement.

The article stated that this was done not by the Honor Code Office, but by his ecclesiatical leaders. There is a difference, and I made that distinction in my post. Your inability to comprehend that is your problem, not mine.

Look at BYU's Honor Code homepage. It states the following:

http://honorcode.byu.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3585

"As a matter of personal commitment, students, faculty, and staff of Brigham Young University ... seek to demonstrate in daily living on and off campus those moral virues encompassed in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and will:

Be honest
Obey the law and all campus policies
Live a chaste and virtuous life
Respect others
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code
Observe Dress and Grooming Standards
Participate regularly in church services
Use clean language."

Interestingly, all of the above bullet points are hyper linked except for the one concering Church attendance. Is it possible that BYU pulled it down since this kid was kicked out? Possibly.

So I ask you, what part of regular Church attendance is not part of the Honor Code?

I haven't heard that it is req'd that one only attend his own ward.

FWIW, I was a student in Pres. Kearl's stake about 4 years ago and there were two baseball players (one for UVSC and a Cougar). I know for a FACT that the BYU player only went to our ward four or five times throughout the entire semester I was there (but the UVSC player was there every week). This doesn't really have much to do with anything-it's just interesting.

Also, Kearl can be kind of scary.

 
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OLB wrote:
Mars wrote:
OLB wrote:
...it doesn't do the program any good if that recruit never makes it onto the field because they can't live by the Honor Code.

Your response shows that you didn't read the article linked above. You should.


Actually, I did read the article ... it is you that didn't read my post. Your lack of attention to my posts is becoming tiresome.

Not attending Church meetings is a violation of the Honor Code. That is why his Bishop/Stake President yanked his endorsement.

The article stated that this was done not by the Honor Code Office, but by his ecclesiatical leaders. There is a difference, and I made that distinction in my post. Your inability to comprehend that is your problem, not mine.

Look at BYU's Honor Code homepage. It states the following:

http://honorcode.byu.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3585

"As a matter of personal commitment, students, faculty, and staff of Brigham Young University ... seek to demonstrate in daily living on and off campus those moral virues encompassed in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and will:

Be honest
Obey the law and all campus policies
Live a chaste and virtuous life
Respect others
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code
Observe Dress and Grooming Standards
Participate regularly in church services
Use clean language."

Interestingly, all of the above bullet points are hyper linked except for the one concering Church attendance. Is it possible that BYU pulled it down since this kid was kicked out? Possibly.

So I ask you, what part of regular Church attendance is not part of the Honor Code?


How is "regular Church attendance" defined, exactly? 50%? 90%? If the article on the Trib is accurate, they're being way too strict with this kid. If the Bishop was that worried for him, there are better roads to help him become more active than withdrawing his endorsement. I'll make sure to sign the roll tomorrow at Church so I can continue my studies...

 
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I'm pretty sure it's 75%.

I'm on the fence on this one. I wish BYU would give the kid another chance but he knew what he was getting into when he signed the honor code. What athletes have got to realize is that they stand out in everything they do whether they want to or not. If any other student was not attending services, that may or may not go unnoticed. But athletes will always be more visible than other students.

It could just be that they are having many problems with athletes in all sports and Kent just happens to be the one they are making the example out of to scare some sense into all the rest. There are a number of athletes in my ward and only a couple attend regularly. Many times they are gone on Sundays for their sports but in the offseason there is no excuse and they just don't seem to take it seriously.

One thing is for sure, I bet the average attendance of the baseball team is going to skyrocket.

 
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There is more information about this situation in Jay Drew's blog. See "Background on dismissal of BYU player saga." http://blogs.sltrib.com/recruiting/

On other sites and in the comments section after the initial article, people have suggested that the player, Kent Walton, must have done something else to warrant dismissal from BYU. Here's what the article says about that:

The Waltons reluctantly agreed to meet with me Friday night at Thanksgiving Point. I looked Kent Walton in the eye probably three or four times during the course of our hourlong meeting and asked him again and again: "Are you sure there is nothing more you have said or done -- or not done -- that could have caused you to be dismissed from BYU?"

He answered yes each time.

I called his roommate and teammate, Jake Wortham, and got the same response.

Also, I spoke off the record with several sources affiliated with BYU's athletic department who obviously have to remain anonymous or they could potentially lose their jobs. They are flat-out mystified as to why this is happening. Nobody said one negative thing about Kent Walton.


More and more, this appears to be exactly what it purports to be---a BYU student-athlete getting kicked out of school because he didn't attend church often enough. According to at least one coach, Walton had a great chance at being an all-American this year. According to Walton and his roommate, he went to church at least five times in eleven or twelve weeks, plus he watched general conference.

Have we really gotten to this point? Have we become so concerned with exactness in keeping the laws of the Church that our students at BYU have to account for their Sunday attendance or risk having their academic and athletic careers jeopardized? Are we really willing to tell the world that athletes are not invited to come to BYU unless they are willing to prove their church attendance 75% or even 50% of the time? Can we read the words of Jesus, who routinely criticized the Pharisees yet said to the adulterous woman, "Neither do I condemn thee"---can we read his words and not hesitate to dismiss people from school for not going to church often enough in their own ward?

When I read the words in section 121 of the Doctrine and Covenants, I get a different sense: "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the prieshood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned." (41).

These words, which have special significance for many, lead me to be very careful about coercing another person to obedience. Yes, there are rules and regulations and promises and covenants. But there should also be some perspective applied when administering punishments. It seems that Kent was never warned that his lack of attendance was about to get him dismissed from school. It also appears that he was not asked if he had attended sacrament meetings elsewhere. And he was almost certainly not allowed a period of time to improve his attendance in his home ward after a warning. And now, as a result of this, we have a young member of the Church who feels betrayed, a family who is hurting and angry about the actions of local Church leaders, an athletic department that is "mystified as to why this is happening," and a public who is trying to make sense of the whole thing. Soon we may even see our enemies using this as supposed proof of our intolerance and/or foolishness.

As a rule, we do not question the actions of our leaders in the Church. But to their credit, they almost always act in a spirit keeping with Section 121---in love, tolerance, and gentleness. I guess I'm saying that this doesn't seem to measure up to those virtues. If this offends anyone, I apologize. I don't mean to offend anyone. I just wonder if there wasn't a better, wiser way to handle all of this. I guess it's easier for me to put myself in the shoes of the young man, than in the shoes of his leader. And now, as one who loves the Church and BYU and the many good things they stand for, I sorrow for the image of intolerance, pedancy, and harshness that all this brings upon us.

 
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This whole thing is looney. You don't kick a kid out of school (athelete or not) becasue you don't think he attends his home ward enough. If you have a concern you talk to him and give him chances to change. Never in my life have I asked for a calling. I think the bishop is to do the asking.

I only attend my ward once a month (stake calling) - I hope I don't get kicked off this board.

 
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