PENALTIES FOR PURSUING FRIVOLOUS TAX ARGUMENTS

Those who act on frivolous positions risk a variety of civil and criminal penalties. Those who adopt these positions may face harsher consequences than those who merely promote them. As the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals noted in United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499, 499-500 (7th Cir. 1991), "Like moths to a flame, some people find themselves irresistibly drawn to the tax protester movement's illusory claim that there is no legal requirement to pay federal income tax. And, like moths, these people sometimes get burned."

I hope you really don't believe these tax protesters.

Airwolf84 wrote:

bengel wrote:

I served as an Administrative Law Judge at the Utah State Tax Commission for over three years. In that time, I heard a lot of arguments about the tax system. However, I never heard one that was supported by a decision rendered by a court.

No court has ever ruled the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified, thus nullifying the validity of the income tax.

I agree that you ignore the tax system at your peril.

Only 4 men in the history of our country have dared challenge the bankers and their 'operation'... Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, JFK and Ronald Reagan. What do all 4 have in common?

Sounds perilous to me.

I recommend the following if you wish to challenge the validity of the tax system. Pay your taxes under protest. Go to the courts with your arguments. Though I know of no court that has accepted any of the arguments of which I am aware, who knows, you might prevail.

This is the approach the LDS Church took on the question of polygamy. When it lost in the US Supreme Court, the court of last resort, and, on some occasions, ultimate error, the LDS Church ceased the practice.

You could also attempt using the political process, though the funding aspect of anything political makes that a nice theory, and not much more.

Of course, you can also refuse to pay your taxes, risking forfeiture of your assets, imprisonment, and, if LDS, Church discipline.

I hope you use your moral agency appropriately. It's not for me to say whether your choice is the morally correct one. To the best of my knowledge, evasion is not the legally correct one.

CougarPeasant wrote:

PENALTIES FOR PURSUING FRIVOLOUS TAX ARGUMENTS

Those who act on frivolous positions risk a variety of civil and criminal penalties. Those who adopt these positions may face harsher consequences than those who merely promote them. As the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals noted in United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499, 499-500 (7th Cir. 1991), "Like moths to a flame, some people find themselves irresistibly drawn to the tax protester movement's illusory claim that there is no legal requirement to pay federal income tax. And, like moths, these people sometimes get burned."

I hope you really don't believe these tax protesters.

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CougarPeasant wrote:

Airwolf84 wrote:The U.S. Treasury is a branch of the federal reserve, which IS the Central Bank!!!:angry:

Pursuant to section 7801, the Secretary of the Treasury has full authority to administer and enforce the internal revenue laws and has the power to create an agency to enforce such laws. Based upon this legislative grant, the IRS was created. Thus, the IRS is a body established by "positive law" because it was created through a congressionally mandated power. Moreover, section 7803(a) explicitly provides that there shall be a Commissioner of Internal Revenue who shall administer and supervise the execution and application of the internal revenue laws.

The IRS is legally entitled to execute the internal revenue laws. Your arguments are specious and only do a disservice to anyone here who might actually believe what you post has any validity. (I doubt anyone will believe you, but I had to add that exception.)

I'm just trying to make others aware of the deceit... whether or not they believe me is irrelevant... at least they can do the research for themselves and then draw their own conclusions.

By the way, have I ever once advocated not paying your taxes? Personally, I have paid income taxes for the last 19 years and have filed a return every year. I just want others to be aware of the fraud and the deceit and then how they protest after that is their own business. My way is by informing others, writing letters to the edtor, etc. A march on Washington, DC would be great also, but there is far too much apathy in this country for that to happen.

97Alum wrote:

Airwolf84 wrote:

bengel wrote:

I served as an Administrative Law Judge at the Utah State Tax Commission for over three years. In that time, I heard a lot of arguments about the tax system. However, I never heard one that was supported by a decision rendered by a court.

No court has ever ruled the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified, thus nullifying the validity of the income tax.

I agree that you ignore the tax system at your peril.

Only 4 men in the history of our country have dared challenge the bankers and their 'operation'... Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, JFK and Ronald Reagan. What do all 4 have in common?

You're nuts, you know that?! Now you're saying that all four were assassinated (or an attempt was made) because they threatened to uncover the "truth" about these mysterious "bankers"! ROFL!!!! You give these people WAY TOO MUCH credit in the old smarts and creativity departments! These folks can't even balance the federal budget for a single year, let alone carry on a vast conspiracy of this nature and complexity for nearly a 100 years.

You're missing the boat here Alum... three of these presidents either had plans or were talking publicly about abolishing the federal reserve and IRS because they knew it was all a fraudulent scheme built to siphon money from people under the guise of a legal tax. Both Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul want to abolish the IRS and start anew with our currency and monetary system because of the massive fraud it is on the people, not to mention finally getting rid of what... 25,000 lines of tax code?