bengel wrote:

imuakahuku wrote:

penncougar wrote:

I was first made aware of the illegality of income taxes from a crazy old guy on my mission, who had actually gone so far as to revoke his own citizenship and forfeit his social security number so the government couldn't track what he did.

I think a very small percentage of Americans are aware of this, and it is in my opinion, one of the great but necessary scams of our time. However, we are all sheep and although I understand the scam of it, I continue to pay out of fear of punishment more than anything. I would like to see someone challenge this amendment today but refusing to pay taxes and actually argue their point successfully and win. Until that happens, we all will continue to pay and will continue to abide by a system that, although necessary, doesn't correspond with what the constitution says.

Obviously when they wrote the constitution it wasn't perfect and they didn't foresee all the stupid freedom of speech bullcrap and other things that people push today. Others have challenged those aspects of the constituion to their benefit in recent years, so its time for someone to challenge the income taxe portions

Thats my challenge to you wolfie. You talk a big game but back it up by not paying your taxes this year

I am aware of two people that have challenged the fed income tax and won. I don't recall at the moment the premise or argument the first used, but the second guy (I'm pretty sure he was a lawyer - actually IIRC they were both lawyers), argued the premise that income is the same as profit and that because we trade our time, efforts, and skills, we are not profitting or drawing an income. That we are just exchanging our sweat for money. He was able to convince the court and beat the IRS. I listened to an interview he gave and it was pretty interesting. A pretty convincing guy.
As for taxes, there does not to be some sort of tax system else the government would then be forced to compete in industry, charge individuals for services rendered, or constantly print money. As you can see the first and the third choices are VERY bad for us. The first would lead to unfair business practices in whatever industry they decide to compete and the third would lead to hyperinflation. Go to work at 8am and by noon you would have made enough to pay for a loaf of bread, hopefully. The second option has its own pitfalls but could possibly be done. There is one other thought for income and that would be from the money brought in by the fed. As you know it loans money to banks and receives it back with interest. That interest is then turned over to the treasury without ever being put on the books. In otherwords it is not recorded as an income (profit ;) ) to the fed or to the treasury.

So if you want to take the IRS to court go ahead. I figure their record is probably something like 2319283 wins and 2 losses.

As an Administrative Law Judge at the Utah State Tax Commission, I often heard pronouncements like this. However, I never found a single opinion from any court in the United States upholding any such argument. The cases I found held the opposite.

I left the employ of the Tax Commission last September. Thinking things might have changed since then, I have just done an on-line search. Every case I pulled up holds the exact opposite. Things have not changed since last September.

Please, provide me a citation, or at least the name of the person who prevailed and the court ruling in his favor. I will be happy to take on a case against the IRS if I know I have case law to support me. I could become a very wealthy retired lawyer. However, I'm more likely to win the Publishers' Clearing House $5,000 per week prize. The odds there are 1 in more than 505 million.

His arguments were
"There are three points that are important," he told WND. "There's no law making the average working man liable [for income taxes], there's no law or regulation that allows the IRS to contend that earnings are 100 percent profit received in exchange for nothing, and the right to earn a living through any lawful occupation is a constitutionally protected fundamental right, and it is exempt from taxation.

How about
Tom Cryer
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59515
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855
Here is his brief
http://www.truthattack.org/cryer_MEMORANDUM.pdf

Maybe you can make a buck or two from it's arguements. Good luck!