I was most disappointed with Cummard during the game. He is our best player (sorry Trent), and when he didn't show up early it was obvious we were not going to survive the first round. He had an okay game, but it wasn't his usual performance.

Another sad thing is that Coach Rose was more fired up and intense as an assitant coach than as a head coach. He used to really tear into guys when they came out of the game when he was working with Steve Cleveland. You just don't see the passion anymore from him.

stuckinbig10country wrote:

Another sad thing is that Coach Rose was more fired up and intense as an assitant coach than as a head coach. He used to really tear into guys when they came out of the game when he was working with Steve Cleveland. You just don't see the passion anymore from him.

Just out of curiosity, how many games did you get to see this year?

A couple of thoughts:

1. Rose is a good coach but not a great tactician, he doesn't scheme well in fact what he schemed at the beginning of the A&M game (leave Carter open) got Carter hot and that was about the end of the game.

2. Despite losing to the 2nd best team in conference on their home court in the MWC tourney and losing a close one to an A&M team that just about knocked off UCLA, this was a great year for BYU. We won the conference, we beat Louisville, had good losses to Mich St and UNC, beat utah twice, and ended the season with the longest home winning streak in the nation.

3. Pumping your fists and yelling and looking excited doesn't equal heart. There are different kinds of people in this world that show their emotions differently. If Trent and Cummard don't rally their team by yelling it isn't because they don't have heart they just aren't that kind of player. Would it be nice to have a rally person on the team? Yes, but please no more stupid comments about the players not having heart. You don't get to the level of these players without having a lot of heart. They may have more talent than us but I am pretty certain they have worked harder too.

Two observations of opposing coaches come to mind this year.....

In the MWC Chanmpionship, Kruger did a great job of coaching. The refs were horrible and made a lot of bad calls but Kruger made sure his guys took advantage of this situation. If you go back and watch the game, you will notice that UNLV players were being really aggresive. UNLV was the home team and was getting the calls from the beggining. When the refs failed to call the hand checking, UNLV increased and increased their aggressiveness and continued to hand check without reservation which really threw us off of our offensive game. They were also flopping like crazy on both ends, flailing thier arms on every drive and falling to the floor almost every other time on defense. The refs ignored a lot of the flops but some were called fouls. And when your tallest guy is 6'6, you really have to come up with a unique defensive game plan which Kruger did. Kruger definately outcoached us.

One critical bit of scouting that Texas A&M picked up on in our last couple of games was our teams inexplainable inability to rebound the ball defensively!!!! I just could not believe how badly we degressed at the end of the season in this area. It was bad against UNLV and just terrible against Texas A&M. If you re-watch the game you will notice that Turgeon coached his players to crash the boards after offensive shots. They sent 4 guys to the rim after every offensive shot! And it really helped them win that game!

But all this analysis aside, I have great faith in Rose and hopes that he is able to get better as a coach to get us to a sweet sixteen in the next 2-3 years.

lovelldog wrote:

A couple of thoughts:

1. Rose is a good coach but not a great tactician, he doesn't scheme well in fact what he schemed at the beginning of the A&M game (leave Carter open) got Carter hot and that was about the end of the game.

2. Despite losing to the 2nd best team in conference on their home court in the MWC tourney and losing a close one to an A&M team that just about knocked off UCLA, this was a great year for BYU. We won the conference, we beat Louisville, had good losses to Mich St and UNC, beat utah twice, and ended the season with the longest home winning streak in the nation.

3. Pumping your fists and yelling and looking excited doesn't equal heart. There are different kinds of people in this world that show their emotions differently. If Trent and Cummard don't rally their team by yelling it isn't because they don't have heart they just aren't that kind of player. Would it be nice to have a rally person on the team? Yes, but please no more stupid comments about the players not having heart. You don't get to the level of these players without having a lot of heart. They may have more talent than us but I am pretty certain they have worked harder too.

I agree with you on point 1. Sad thing is, A&M knew we'd play them that because that's how we've played everyother team this year and A&M planned for it. What's disturbing and I think telling of Rose's coaching abilities is he didn't anticipate what A&M would do to counter BYU. Good coaches know their own weaknesses, expect they will be exploited and prepare accordingly. Rose's answer for Carter seemed to be "wait and see."

On point two, I agree overall we had a good season, but once again we showed the only teams we can beat are MWC teams or non-MWC teams that are missing two star players. We would not have beaten Louisville if we played them at the end of the season. And, keep in mind, that glorious performance we had against UNC was without their starting point guard who in all likelyhood would have ran circles around our guards. There are no "A's for effort," so in my book there are no good losses. All we showed is we can't beat teams in "Power" conferences (couldn't even beat the WAC's best team).

As for point 3, yes leaders don't have to yell, wave their arms or pump thier chests and such isn't indicitive of heart, but players with "heart" typically show a bit more hussle out on the court. Usually they box out and don't stand around watching one player on their team battle for a rebound. Players with heart will not slack off on defense letting whomever is behind them pick up on their man. Players with heart fight through screens, crash the boards on every shot because they want to get the ball, do whatever they have to stay infront of their man, don't leave leading scorers wide open and move around on offense. With the exceptions of Lee and Jimmer, I didn't see much heart out on the court against A&M.

Gunk wrote:

lovelldog wrote:

A couple of thoughts:

1. Rose is a good coach but not a great tactician, he doesn't scheme well in fact what he schemed at the beginning of the A&M game (leave Carter open) got Carter hot and that was about the end of the game.

2. Despite losing to the 2nd best team in conference on their home court in the MWC tourney and losing a close one to an A&M team that just about knocked off UCLA, this was a great year for BYU. We won the conference, we beat Louisville, had good losses to Mich St and UNC, beat utah twice, and ended the season with the longest home winning streak in the nation.

3. Pumping your fists and yelling and looking excited doesn't equal heart. There are different kinds of people in this world that show their emotions differently. If Trent and Cummard don't rally their team by yelling it isn't because they don't have heart they just aren't that kind of player. Would it be nice to have a rally person on the team? Yes, but please no more stupid comments about the players not having heart. You don't get to the level of these players without having a lot of heart. They may have more talent than us but I am pretty certain they have worked harder too.

I agree with you on point 1. Sad thing is, A&M knew we'd play them that because that's how we've played everyother team this year and A&M planned for it. What's disturbing and I think telling of Rose's coaching abilities is he didn't anticipate what A&M would do to counter BYU. Good coaches know their own weaknesses, expect they will be exploited and prepare accordingly. Rose's answer for Carter seemed to be "wait and see."

On point two, I agree overall we had a good season, but once again we showed the only teams we can beat are MWC teams or non-MWC teams that are missing two star players. We would not have beaten Louisville if we played them at the end of the season. And, keep in mind, that glorious performance we had against UNC was without their starting point guard who in all likelyhood would have ran circles around our guards. There are no "A's for effort," so in my book there are no good losses. All we showed is we can't beat teams in "Power" conferences (couldn't even beat the WAC's best team).

As for point 3, yes leaders don't have to yell, wave their arms or pump thier chests and such isn't indicitive of heart, but players with "heart" typically show a bit more hussle out on the court. Usually they box out and don't stand around watching one player on their team battle for a rebound. Players with heart will not slack off on defense letting whomever is behind them pick up on their man. Players with heart fight through screens, crash the boards on every shot because they want to get the ball, do whatever they have to stay infront of their man, don't leave leading scorers wide open and move around on offense. With the exceptions of Lee and Jimmer, I didn't see much heart out on the court against A&M.

This is what I was trying to say last Friday and got slammed for it. Be careful when you bring up issues like this, it can really ruffle peoples feathers.

The difference between BYU football and basketball is that the football team is getting better the basketball team isn't.