Two things, first what year did he lead the nation in total offense? Was it 2004 (when Alex was the starter), 2005 (where he is listed at #4 behind Brennan (HI), Hodges (TT), Basanez (NW)), 2006 (when he redshirted), or 2007 (where he was listed at #86 - sorry not gonna list all the guys ahead of him that year).

Second
BJ v MH

QB......Tot Off...Rank...TD...INT...RushTD
BJ2007..1997......#86....11....10.....2
BJ2005..3370......#4.....18.....7.....8
MH2007..3848......#17....26....12.....1

Looks like the guy might be right. Oh wait BJ's numbers went down. That must be because of some nagging injury that he must have that should be all gone now. It probably doesn't have anything to do with the extra lbs he's added.

But to be fair it is easy to pull stats from all kinds of sites. I am using a site that have a bias against the utes.

http://www.ncaa.com/football/default.aspx?id=214

Johnson may be a better overall athlete, but he's not a better overall qb. Dual-threat QBs are so ridiculously overrated, it drives me nuts! Exciting? Yes. Champions? Not often. Case in point...look at some of the best dual-threat or "athletic, mobile" QBs in both college and the NFL and see how many championships they won. Florida's Chris Leak is one of a very short list that has actually won a championship at the college or pro level. Most often championship football teams are lead by pocket passers, guys deemed less athletic or less mobile. Guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Phil Simms, Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman. Steve Young is an exception here as he was able to win a championship as a dual-threat qb, although not in the same sense as Michael Vick.

So this is all just a very long way of saying just because BJ is mobile, athletic and skilled, it does not make him a better quarterback and by no means guarantees he'll win anything of substance. The Utes can run their mouths all they want. I still say they finish 7-5 or 8-4 like they usually do. Because they're great at being average!

runbyu1 wrote:

AceyUT wrote:
i disagree that max hall is the better qb. johnson put up huge numbers his sophomore year and led the nation in total offense. hes the best all around qb in the conference hands down. great runner, great decision maker, and most of all he can carry his team when needed. no disrespect to hall whatsoever, i think he is good. johnson is just more entertaining to watch and i think has more of an all around edge of being better IMHO. and johnson will not lose his last home game at utah to byu, i can guarantee everyone on this board that. i know the guy and hes told me that.

also bsu fan.......when was the last quality regular season win for you on the road in a bcs conference (excluding fiesta bowl, it s not a road game). i remember a 48-13 blowout loss to a horrible georgia team.

Crap. There goes the undefeated season

For the record Brian, my three year old guaranteed that Vic So'oto will smash you to pieces.

Slugger wrote:

Johnson may be a better overall athlete, but he's not a better overall qb. Dual-threat QBs are so ridiculously overrated, it drives me nuts! Exciting? Yes. Champions? Not often. Case in point...look at some of the best dual-threat or "athletic, mobile" QBs in both college and the NFL and see how many championships they won. Florida's Chris Leak is one of a very short list that has actually won a championship at the college or pro level. Most often championship football teams are lead by pocket passers, guys deemed less athletic or less mobile. Guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Phil Simms, Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman. Steve Young is an exception here as he was able to win a championship as a dual-threat qb, although not in the same sense as Michael Vick.

So this is all just a very long way of saying just because BJ is mobile, athletic and skilled, it does not make him a better quarterback and by no means guarantees he'll win anything of substance. The Utes can run their mouths all they want. I still say they finish 7-5 or 8-4 like they usually do. Because they're great at being average!

Vince Young

I really don't understand why people think that Johnson is still a threat running the ball. He is not only slowed by a knee injury but he is also just plain fat.


edit: 1000th post woot woot!

Real.Men.Wear.Blue wrote:

My problem with Johnson is that, although he is a good athlete (when not "injured"), he is not a leader. He doesn't have those intangibles that make the good athletes great QBs. On the other hand, Max Hall, who may not quite be the athlete that Johnson is, is a leader and will therefore always be a better QB.

I agree 100% there. We are lucky to have had two QB's in a row that have lived up to the leadership roles that this position requires.

Is it Aug 30th yet?