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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 52  
craigoscarson wrote:
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Hengst wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/st

no plaisted in the first round, what a surprise :dry:


Your acting as if Trent needs to be lottery pick to justify his decision. I'm sure he knew all too well that he wasn't getting the type of coaching he needed at BYU to improve his chance of playing in the NBA. Therefore it made no sense for him to stick around for another year of the same lack of developmental opportunity. At some point one has to consider the opportunity to provide for one's family vs playing the game in exchange for a scholarship.

I'm more concerned about future potential BYU players. If Trent is able to quickly address those missing components in his game, what does that say about the quality of BYU's coaching of their big men? Don't take me wrong here. I'm support Coach Rose, but I do see three weaknesses in his coaching style:

1) Limited development of his big men (need to work on facing the basket, hitting the short to mid range jumper, and getting serious about boxing out on rebounds),

2) Not using his pt guard more to penetrate and pass off or make the shot,

3) over-dependence upon the 3-pt shot (this could become a huge problem when the 3-pt distance is increased).

I don't want to see another big man come to BYU and show good ability his Frosh year and then only minor improvement (if any) after that. If the player is serious about his game, I imagine it would be frustrating to not get the type of coaching needed to improve his game.

Of course, what do I know. I'm just a fan with fond memories of Ainge, Roberts, Cosic, & etc.


What guard did we have this year that was capable of penetrating the lane? Just one, and he was a true freshman.

So because Trent didn't have a developed game, we put that on the coaching staff? In that case, I suppose they get 100% credit for squeezing every bit of potential out of a 6'6" guy like Keena Young that could do all of those things. Bravo, coaches..you did a great job with Keena, why couldn't you do the same with Trent? ;)

Over=depedence on the 3? How else were we going to score? Trent and his one soft move? Honestly, there were several games, that I wished we had shot more 3's. Let's not forget that JT is a true soph; Jimmer is a true frosh, and Murdock and Burgess were never ideal starters for a top 20 team. I'd say we did a great job taking advantage of our strengths by shooting 3's. Again, if the next option was giving Trent the ball, I'd say chuck the 3s up as much as you want.

And Cosic, Ainge, Roberts, Michael Smith, Durrant, Hanson, etc. were all gym rats that loved the game of basketball. Since when did you ever get the impression that Plaisted loves hoops? He's a big man that wants a paycheck......that's all

Our hoops team hasn't been in better hands since before Shawn Bradley flew the coop and Roger Reid lost his mind.


I agree with your last statement but not much of the rest. Personally I have a much longer view of BYU basketball than just since Shawn Bradley left. To me he is another example of a big man that showed minimal improvement (probably his mission played a major factor there).

First of all. I don't see any evidence that Coach Rose ever tried to expand the dimensions of Trent's game. Perhaps part of it is because of how Coach Rose wants to use the Center in his offense.

Second, I don't have the impression that Plaisted is a "gym rat" and have never implied that is the case. He could be, but since I'm not on campus daily I can't say one way or another.

Third, the lack of a point guard able to penetrate the lane isn't a coincidence having nothing to do with the coaches. It is a direct result of the BYU coaching staff's recruiting decisions.

To be successful BYU needs a penetrator and a quality big man with more skills besides great leaping ability. If you can't recruit them, the only other option is to develop them. Bronco manages to recruit the lesser rated players and make them very successful contributors to the football team. Why do you expect less from Coach Rose?

I disagree about the "taking advantage of our strength by shooting 3's" statement. We were taking advantage of one of the very few options available to us. Sure it would have been nice to have seen more 3's in some games, but that is only because frequently it was the only way we could score. Over dependence upon any one method of scoring makes the team too predictable and hence more beatable.

I think the BYU coaching staff is doing many good things but they have a ways to go before I'll start drinking the koolaid. Do you honestly see us improving much beyond an 8/9 seed without some changes being made by the coaches?

 
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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 12  
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As far the whole "not getting the coaching he needed" comments, my opinion is any player that pulls that card is looking for an excuse for poor performance. Sorry. If he was so distraught with the coaching at BYU, why didn't he transfer? I'll tell you why, because at BYU and in the MWC he's a big fish in a small pond. If he transfered to another school in a "power" conference he wouldn't have stood out.


I don't think he ever tried to pull the bad coaching card, but in another thread there is a link to an assessment of Trent at some camp that he went to. One of the trainers kinda bashes the lack of coaching Trent received at BYU so that's where the coaching thing is coming from.


Thanks for the clarification

 
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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 12  
buzzard wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that the horse we are beating is so dead that it is starting to smell funny?
He's gone, ain't coming back.
How do you think Miles will do this coming season?


I think he will do well. He's bigger than Trent and does a much better job of sealing is man when posting up. He also goes up real stong and I've seen him pull off a turn around jumper or two. Trent wouldn't even attempt one. Miles' defense is also a lot better. He gave Neville plenty of trouble, whereas Neville had a field day with Trent.

Miles can't get down the court as fast as Trent or jump from 10 feet out for a dunk, but as a center he's very solid and brings what you'd expect from a center.

Nice thing too is Miles shoots better from the line. During his freshman year Miles as 70 percent from the line. Miles struggled from the line this year, but he has the potential and at least has shot a higher percentage in his career than Trent ever did.

 
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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 4  
Gunk wrote:
buzzard wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that the horse we are beating is so dead that it is starting to smell funny?
He's gone, ain't coming back.
How do you think Miles will do this coming season?


I think he will do well. He's bigger than Trent and does a much better job of sealing is man when posting up. He also goes up real stong and I've seen him pull off a turn around jumper or two. Trent wouldn't even attempt one. Miles' defense is also a lot better. He gave Neville plenty of trouble, whereas Neville had a field day with Trent.

Miles can't get down the court as fast as Trent or jump from 10 feet out for a dunk, but as a center he's very solid and brings what you'd expect from a center.

Nice thing too is Miles shoots better from the line. During his freshman year Miles as 70 percent from the line. Miles struggled from the line this year, but he has the potential and at least has shot a higher percentage in his career than Trent ever did.


I am also excited to see how Gavin McGregor Comes back from his injury.

 
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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 4  
I agree, TP is attempting to cash is when his value is at an all time low. He has no NBA skills worthy of a contract. I don't blame the coaches for that. He's a lazy sack of - - - - .

 
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Re:Mock draft, and schocking 3 Months ago Karma: 16  
A lot of you guys are talking about Trent not getting the coaching he needs to be successful in college. Folks, he will get NO coaching at the pro level. you guys talk about Dwight howard (top 3 pick) and others and those are the guys that pro teams work hard at developing because they have invested Millions of dollars in contracts to them. Trent will be a free agent or a 2nd round pick, those guys don't get squat because there is no commitment to him. Trent would have gotten better coaching at BYU his SR year. Having said that, Trent had plenty of time to improve his game at BYU. Dave Rose is not the reason Trent never developed a jump shot and never improved his free throw percentage. A below average post up game isn't going to cut it against taller more atheletic guys in the NBA.

 
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