ammoncougar1 wrote:

First, I haven't read every post in this thread so if I am repeating something already said, forgive me. Second my BIGGEST concern, and I'm probably just a worrier in this matter, is that future prospects read any of this and make decisions about BYU based on fans like we profess to be. I appreciate honest assesment and opinion but to say things like we'll never cheer for him or we expect him to fail seems a little harsh. I hope future players don't read this board at times like this. I hope, as disappointed in what I as a fan may be missing out on because of his and others' choices, that I can still find it in myself to be supportive and grateful for them helping us get where we are.

From me, I say thanks Trent and good luck wherever you end up playing for however long you have the chance to play! (wish I were you in the potential $ scope of things!)

Go COugs!!!

Ammom, I agree with you again as well as stuck10. What's with the attacking the guy. I can see why some would reconsider coming here with such harsh critisism.

ammoncougar1 wrote:

First, I haven't read every post in this thread so if I am repeating something already said, forgive me. Second my BIGGEST concern, and I'm probably just a worrier in this matter, is that future prospects read any of this and make decisions about BYU based on fans like we profess to be. I appreciate honest assesment and opinion but to say things like we'll never cheer for him or we expect him to fail seems a little harsh. I hope future players don't read this board at times like this. I hope, as disappointed in what I as a fan may be missing out on because of his and others' choices, that I can still find it in myself to be supportive and grateful for them helping us get where we are.

From me, I say thanks Trent and good luck wherever you end up playing for however long you have the chance to play! (wish I were you in the potential $ scope of things!)

Go COugs!!!

Although I see your point, if I were a big highschool player looking for a college I would put more weight into the NBA success of a college's players. Travis could make in the NBA as a bench player if we wanted, but Araujo didn't last long and our last year's MWC POY on our team ended up in Korea. In the last 10 years BYU has not produced anyone currently in the NBA. Trent getting drafted and not making it in the NBA hurts us more on the recruiting front than a dozen or two disgruntled fans posting on a website.

craigoscarson wrote:

You can also be cut.. or designated to the D league. Trent will rot on the pine for a year and end up in no mans land, instead of having a resume' senior year with a top 10-15 BYU squad. His professional career will be about as long as Luke Staley's and about 1/5 as long as Arajous (and 1/100 as profitable.)

The true money in the NBA is in longevity. A guy like Mark Madsen builds a reputation in college and lives off that reputation for a decade+ and is set for life. Same for Scott Pollard, Brian Scalabrine, etc.
And don't give me Europe; for every 1 guy like Travis Hansen there are 49 other Americans that Europe chews up and spits out. It's not all rainbows and roses in international hoops; especially for a guy that can't shoot the ball. (European big men make their free throws too)

Trent is nobody to the league and will be treated like nobody.

I would have completely understood if a guy like Stephen Curry (who did have a resume' year) left early because his team lost their top 3 players or the guys on Kansas;(chalmers, arthur, rush) because they just won the NC, etc. But Trent did nothing at the end of the season and his stock is not very high right now. He basically would have been holding a full house and the keys to a shiny studly loaded BYU team with a depleted NCAA field, and instead pushed all of his chips in holding a pair of 2s. I think we completely overvalue the fact that he's 6'11" - Heck the state of Utah has produced 9-10 6'10"+ guys in the last few years; they're just not as rare as you'd think; (especially ones that can't hit the back side of a barn from the free throw line, can't box out, and don't have a single offensive move that will work in the NBA.)

I try to root for guys that leave BYU and move on to the pros, but I just can't root for Trent. To me, his leaving early was on the bone-headed level of a John Walsh or Luke Staley.

What he potentially would have gotten out of leading the most talented BYU team since the mid 80s could have been priceless. If you don't see the value of senior seasons, look no further than Arajuo. The guy is set for life from his 1st lottery contract; a contract that Trent will never see in his entire playing career. Haffa earned that contract from 2-3 games his senior year and his huge effort against Syracuse; a losing effort for the BYU team but a big winner for Haffa. Because of the way that Haffa went out, I could root for him regardless of his lack of success. I dont' think I'll ever root for Trent.

Although you do sound a little spiteful I would have to agree with your analysis of Trent. If anyone needed that extra year he DID. Not only to increase his stock but more importantly to improve. I am as big of BYU fan as there is but he is not ready for the likes of Howard, Boch, Dirk, Gasol, or even Okur. Remeber, as much as we would like to forget, Bogut and how good he was? Where is he now? He is in the league but nothing special. Although I like Trent and wish him well I'm fearing the worst.

WinnemuccaCougar wrote:

craigoscarson wrote:

You can also be cut.. or designated to the D league. Trent will rot on the pine for a year and end up in no mans land, instead of having a resume' senior year with a top 10-15 BYU squad. His professional career will be about as long as Luke Staley's and about 1/5 as long as Arajous (and 1/100 as profitable.)

The true money in the NBA is in longevity. A guy like Mark Madsen builds a reputation in college and lives off that reputation for a decade+ and is set for life. Same for Scott Pollard, Brian Scalabrine, etc.
And don't give me Europe; for every 1 guy like Travis Hansen there are 49 other Americans that Europe chews up and spits out. It's not all rainbows and roses in international hoops; especially for a guy that can't shoot the ball. (European big men make their free throws too)

Trent is nobody to the league and will be treated like nobody.

I would have completely understood if a guy like Stephen Curry (who did have a resume' year) left early because his team lost their top 3 players or the guys on Kansas;(chalmers, arthur, rush) because they just won the NC, etc. But Trent did nothing at the end of the season and his stock is not very high right now. He basically would have been holding a full house and the keys to a shiny studly loaded BYU team with a depleted NCAA field, and instead pushed all of his chips in holding a pair of 2s. I think we completely overvalue the fact that he's 6'11" - Heck the state of Utah has produced 9-10 6'10"+ guys in the last few years; they're just not as rare as you'd think; (especially ones that can't hit the back side of a barn from the free throw line, can't box out, and don't have a single offensive move that will work in the NBA.)

I try to root for guys that leave BYU and move on to the pros, but I just can't root for Trent. To me, his leaving early was on the bone-headed level of a John Walsh or Luke Staley.

What he potentially would have gotten out of leading the most talented BYU team since the mid 80s could have been priceless. If you don't see the value of senior seasons, look no further than Arajuo. The guy is set for life from his 1st lottery contract; a contract that Trent will never see in his entire playing career. Haffa earned that contract from 2-3 games his senior year and his huge effort against Syracuse; a losing effort for the BYU team but a big winner for Haffa. Because of the way that Haffa went out, I could root for him regardless of his lack of success. I dont' think I'll ever root for Trent.

Although you do sound a little spiteful I would have to agree with your analysis of Trent. If anyone needed that extra year he DID. Not only to increase his stock but more importantly to improve. I am as big of BYU fan as there is but he is not ready for the likes of Howard, Boch, Dirk, Gasol, or even Okur. Remeber, as much as we would like to forget, Bogut and how good he was? Where is he now? He is in the league but nothing special. Although I like Trent and wish him well I'm fearing the worst.

You are assuming Trent would improve. Look at his numbers. He's improved marginally over the last 3 years. Odds are he would not improve. It's fun to hypothesize that Trent would have some phenominal, break out year if he stayed, but realistically he'd once again put up about 15 points a game, grab 8 or so boards and shoot around 55 percent from the line. Trent's "breakout" year was his freshman year. Don't get me wrong, he'd be an incredible asset to the team had he stayed, but he wouldn't have dazzled anyone.

so did somebody (a yew fan) manipulate him into talking to an agent? I'm willing to bet trent will be back playing basketball in provo next season...as a flash...

Why do I get the feeling that the horse we are beating is so dead that it is starting to smell funny?
He's gone, ain't coming back.
How do you think Miles will do this coming season?