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Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 37  
1. I'm a Laker homer, most of you know that, but if I had to build a team around one player, it would be LeBron James hands down....Kobe has done ok, normally guarding and shutting down the other team's scorer, but James is THE complete player....

2. What ever happened to the Celtic stars? Where is Garnett, Allen or Pierce? Not that we need them, but Garnett would have been a nice big man in the middle and Allen is a better shooter than Redd....and Pierce, he is an upgrade over Carmelo....

3. One more thing about BB, what would you rather have...an Olympic gold or an NBA championship? No fair saying both...For me, I'd say Olympic gold...something about representing your country before the world in a talented way....

4. Can we proclaim Michael Phelps the greatest Olympic athlete of all time? How about the greatest athlete period? What a remarkable, remarkable Olympics...and have you seen how classy Mark Spitz has been? Kudos to him too....

5. What is it with Jamaica? Sweep the women 100 meter finals, shatter the men's 100 meter record, and if they were a State in the US would be lower in population than states like Oregon and Washington and Arizona...and Cool Runnings is still one of my favorite sports movies!

6. Back to BB...Is Carmelo overrated? He strikes me as a dime a dozen athleticaly talented small forward....I don't get the ink about the dude

7. The event that scares me the most is the balance beam--doing a back flip on that? I'd have a cardiac first...

8. Did you see the reaction of the Togo kayaker winning the bronze? That was cool and perhaps what the Olympic is all about....

9. Opening ceremonies with all those kung fu guys acting in unison was really cool, assuming they were not computer animated pixels like the fake fireworks put up on the screen and the lip synching nine year old who replaced the real singer because, bluntly speaking, she was too ugly...sigh....I guess you cannot have everything perfect....

10. Back to Michael Phelps--that one 4 x 100 relay, was it the second gold? where the US anchor Lezak ran down the French record holder...that has to be one of the greatest races of all time....utter classic....

 
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Re:Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 87  
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4. Can we proclaim Michael Phelps the greatest Olympic athlete of all time? How about the greatest athlete period?


I hate to be the guy who makes a stand against Michael Phelps, but I think we are all a bit caught up in the hype with all the hyperbole. No one called Mark Spitz the greatest Olympian ever, and certainly no one called him the greatest athlete period. Yet, when Michael Phelps breaks his record by one medal, we are going to lavish those titles on him? Why?

First off, let me begin by addressing the lunatic idea that Phelps is the greatest athlete ever. Highly, highly dubious. Think of names like Michael Jordan, Hank Aaron, Michael Johnson, Wayne Gretzky, Paavo Nurmi, Bo Jackson, Muhammad Ali, Jim Thorpe, Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong, Babe Ruth, and you want to leapfrog Phelps to the top of the list?

Let's break down what Phelps did. He won 8 gold medals in a single Olympics in the only discipline in which it would be possible. Think about it--how does a track and field star win 8 golds? They would have to run the 100, 4x100, 200, 4x200, 400, 4x400, both hurdles, and he would still need to add an even longer distance or non-running event to make 8. A wrestler would need to wrestle in four different weight classes in his first discipline, and three in the other. A male gymnast would have to win the all-around, the team title and all the individual events, while a female gymnast would not have enough events to even try. And it goes on.

And Phelps? He won in the 400 IM, 4 x 100 Free, 200 Free, 200 Fly, 4 x 200 Free, 200 IM, 100 Fly, and the 4 x 100 Medley. A great accomplishment? Absolutely, but we have to keep it in the context of the sport. It's the equivalent in track of running the 100, 4x100, 200, 4x200, the 400 track medley (100 run, 100 hurdles, 100 three-legged, and 100 backwards), the 200 track medley, the 4x 100 track medley team, and the 200 hurdles (doesn't exist). Do you see how the cross-discipline comparisons break down?

Never to be beaten? It depends on whether swimming adds more events or schedules a more favorable 4x400. Spitz didn't have to add the 400 events to break the previous record of five golds. He swam seven events as an insurance policy. Necessity dictates what needs to be done, and history teaches us that someone will do it eventually--no one thought anyone would break the Shark's seven gold, but here it happened. Someone will come and beat Phelps eventually--it's just the way things go in athletics--everyone wants to be the best, and to be the best you have to beat the best.

Now, as for the greatest Olympian ever, I think his name will be in the running, but again we have to weigh his results by his discipline. I agree he is possibly the greatest American Olympian ever, with the greatest threats coming from Mary Lou, Carl Lewis, and Michael Johnson. Internationally, I don't think he beats out Paaavo Nurmi or Larissa Latynina's accomplishments.

Nurmi set the record of five gold medals that Spitz would later eclipse, but he did so in distance running. In 1924, he won in five events, 1500 m, 5000 m (with only 26 minutes rest between, setting world records in both), 3000 m team , and both cross country events. He won all five in four days, and would have run to defend his world record and gold in the 10,000 m, but the Finnish government withdrew him from the race in fear of the heat.

Latynina dominated her sport at all disciplines. She remains the only gymnast to medal in every individual apparatus, and holds 18 medals in a discipline that offers only 6 events per Olympics.

What I think we are seeing is a phenomenal performance, but I think Phelps is simply destined to become the next Mark Spitz. Someone whose name is only mentioned every four years. I absolutely disagree that he is the greatest athlete of all time, and I do not think he is the greatest Olympian of all-time when we consider the international athletes who our media never tells us about.

We are caught up in the Olympic spirit and hype in a year where the US doesn't have many glamor athletes, and it is human nature to overreact immediately after witnessing something. Great athlete? Yes. Greatest? Not by a long shot.

 
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Re:Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 10  
I agree with sno. i think we could probably call phelps the greatest swimmer of all time, but I think we need to leave it at that. Personally, I think Michael Jordan is probably the greatest olympian of all time. Imagine how many gold medals he would have if they had a 3 point shooting contest, dunk contest, awarded a defensive tournament mvp gold etc . . .

 
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Re:Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 37  
As usual, Snocythe has very good points to be made and are thought provoking. In the end who is the "greatest athlete," especially when talking about different athletes in different sports and eras, is fraught with subjectivity. The people you mention Sno were and are great to be sure, and perhaps the greatest. I'd probably throw Jim Thorpe in there too. But Phelps has won more gold than any other athlete ever, setting world records left and right, and done it over two Olympics, and who knows maybe he will be back in 2012? I know it is all in swimming, but my understanding is that the different swimstrokes are much more different in skill and talent than we often think, so it is not like Hengst suggests akin to Michael Jordan dunking and then defending etc...Thanks for weighing in and sharing....

 
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Re:Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 37  
Congratulations to Dong Dong of the People's Republic of China for winning the bronze in the trampoline event....

 
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Re:Olympic thoughts so far 3 Months ago Karma: 6  
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Congratulations to Dong Dong of the People's Republic of China for winning the bronze in the trampoline event....


What about the winner of the women's gold in the trampoline event.... HE WENNA and the silver medalist of the same event was Karen COCKBURN...

 
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