kitic77

Airwolf84

kitic77

[color=green]And back in 2001 when Cal was in a "down" year, BYU beat them 44-16. Hardly going "toe-to-toe" with BYU.[/color:37dc74f41e]

Good point, but that was the exception to the rule.

[color=green]Unfortunate, but true. The bottom line is that I can't even remember the last time BYU killed a top 25 team. Heck, I can't even remember the last time BYU blew out a rival or decent non-conference team.[/color:37dc74f41e]

You can't remember because it hasn't happened. BYU has never defeated a team that has finished in the top 25 by more than 2 scores.

dalestephenson

I don't ever expect us to be in the PAC-10, but the clear benefit of being in the Pac-10 is recruiting. A stronger conference would make us more attractive to member and non-member alike. Pac-10 teams are our chief recruiting rivals, and the main draw (especially for LDS kids) is the conference, not the school. Think we lose Ngata to Oregon if we're both in the Pac-10?

Here's a list of players we offered (according to scout.com), that went to Pac-10 schools. I think a Pac-10 BYU gets some of these kids.

2006
Stanley Havili **** RB
Sione Fua **** DT
Feniki Tupou **** OL
Justin Tyron **** CB
Tyler Lyon *** QB
Glyndon Bolasky *** S
James Dockery *** WR
Mau Nomani *** OL
Martin Tevaseu *** DT
Brian Williams * CB

2005
Kaluka Maiava **** LB
Zach Catanese **** S
Adam Hawes **** OL
Nick Reed *** DE
Richard Tuitu'u *** OL
DeWayne Patterson *** S
Blake Kerley *** OL
Al Afalava ** CB
Blaise Johnson ** CB
Shawn Lauvao ** OL

2004
Taitusi Lutui ***** OL
Ryan Powdrell ***** DT
Nate Longshore **** QB
Rudy Carpenter *** QB
Max Hall *** QB
Ben Muth *** OL
Thor Pili ** DE

2003
Victor Filipe ** DT

2002
Haloti Ngata ***** DT
Carl Tuitavuki **** DE

FWIW, I doubt Olson transfers if we were Pac-10.

Of course, there's a vested reason for the Pac-10 not to invite us, as if they needed one. They get some very good production out of west coast Mormons, and it'd be difficult to keep that talent flowing into their programs.

I think you are right to a degree. I think if BYU joins the Pac-10 they have an easier time recruiting the best LDS athletes, but I don't think it would be a recruiting boon of non-LDS athletes. BYU would still have an honor code, still be a fairly undiverse campus, in a fairly undiverse city, and continue to remain America's stone cold sober university.

So, I think BYU would be deep in areas they recruit well if they joined the Pac-10: OL, DT, MLB, QB, TE. But they would still struggle landing top flight DE, OLB, DB, RB, and WR to compete consistently at a national level where depth at those positions is imperative.

If BYU were in the PAC-10 they would be just as good as anyother team in the PAC-10. BYU has a great football history with great games, wins and losses, aginst teams from all confences. The bottom line every confrence has teams that go up and down every year and no one can honestly say that BYU would never be able to sustain a winning season. I think talk like "BYU could never win in the Pac-10" is just scared talk from self richous fans who dont dare to think that a mid-major school could atually be as good .... or better than they are. Reality is, any team on any Sunday...or Saturday.....

I think it would be great to join a bigger conference. I think the big 12 along with TCU is more likely. They would become the big 14 and they already have two divisions and a playoff. That would leave the utes in the dust where they belong. They would fit right in with the Western half of the division. But alas it is all a pipe dream. go Cougs

SenorCougar wrote:

JEFE

In the best year (1984) they won the national championship by squeaking by a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday bowl. Do you really think they could have beat the sooners that year? They went 13-0 will some very close games against powerhouse Wyoming and Hawaii, both of which they almost lost. It was a good team no doubt, but who did they play? Nobody.

I like your use of the word POWERHOUSE to describe some of BYU's 1984 opponents (did you forget about the infamous "Bo Diddly Tech"). Let's look at the 1984 Oklahoma Sooner schedule/record. Here goes:

W Oklahoma 19 Stanford 7 (Opponent's Record 5-6)
W Oklahoma 42 Pittsburg 10 (Opponent's Record 3-7-1)
W Oklahoma 34 Baylor 15 (Opponent's Record 5-6)
W Oklahoma 24 Kansas St 6 (Opponent's Record 3-7-1)
T Oklahoma 15 Texas 15 (Opponent's Record 7-4-1)
W Oklahoma 12 Iowa St 10 (Opponent's Record 2-7-2)
L Oklahoma 11 Kansas 28 (Opponent's Record 5-6)
W Oklahoma 49 Missouri 7 (Opponent's Record 3-7-1)
W Oklahoma 42 Colorado 17 (Opponent's Record 1-10)
W Oklahoma 17 Nebraska 7 (Opponent's Record 10-2)
W Oklahoma 24 Oklahoma St 14 (Opponent's Record 10-2)
L Oklahoma 17 Washington 28 (Opponent's Record 11-1) BOWL

Now let's see this powerhouse schedule of the 1984 Oklahoma Sooners. Of the 11 regular season opponents - EIGHT had losing records. And to make matters worse, the team that Oklahoma lost to had a losing record. So the team that Barry Switzer's Sooners lost to was NOT a team with a winning record, but a team with a LOSING record. Those teams are the dangerous teams----the one's that you are supposed to beat. At least, BYU beat all of its powerhouse Bo Diddle Tech teams, OKLAHOMA did not.........

First time in 23 years I have ever seen this argument. Karma points for you, my friend.

All I see is 8 teams with a loosing record and 4 with winning ones ..Including a 7-4-1 team.....WHo did they play that year?

Post edited by: jaws84074, at: 2007/07/26 09:53<br><br>Post edited by: jaws84074, at: 2007/07/26 09:56