ttexastim wrote:

fallball wrote:

Ovid wrote:


"Just another question. Over and over I've heard of BYU as the "Lord's University", yes we have apostles as the board, but I'd like to know where a prophet or apostle has used this phrase in reference to the school. Its not that I doubt, I just need a reference."

I've never heard an apostle say it, but that's what theY call it in "The RM" so it must be true.

From my perspective:

Brigham Young Univeristy is not the "Lord's University"

Actually at a BYUI devotional one of them (or maybe it was just a GA but I don't think so) did refer to it as "the Lord's University"

Here's the breakdown

BYUI-Smaller and the Honor Code is a lot more strict. The higher law if you will. It must be the Celestial School.

BYU-Larger but slightly lower standard. Sound Familiar..........Terrestial School.

BYU-Hawaii Don't know much about the school but by default it is the Telestial School.

UofU- People that know the truth but have rejected it.....school of perdition.

CougarPeasant wrote:

ttexastim wrote:

From my perspective:

Brigham Young Univeristy is not the "Lord's University" because it does not bear His name. BYU is Brigham Youngs school. Yes, he was a prophet, but a prophet is a person, and is not perfect. On my mission we had to teach this principle a lot. How can a church be Christs if it does not bear His name? How can a University be His if it does not bear His name?

Also, after posting last night, I was concerned that people would mis-understand my post and be all up in arms (especially because I'm a Ute). Thanks for seeing through the rivalry and getting my meanings. Have another cookie, or an HD LCD TV. ;)

I think you overlook that BYU isn't intended to be a place of worship, in spite of the buildings used as chapels. If it were, then it would be called The University of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (rather long don't you think?). So, the university can take the name of another and still be the Lord's university, meaning it has the Church's full endorsement and support. I am not offering a history as to why it is called such, just that it can still be the Lord's university even if it has Brigham Young's name. For example, both priesthoods are given the name of men who best exemplified the use of that priesthood. The Lord doesn't seem to mind naming his priesthood, which is used to act in his name, after men of renown. Thus, if BYU is the Lord's university, it's perfectly legitimate to be named after a prominent prophet. Just an observation. B)

I really tried to stay out of this discussion because I base the rivalry on competition, not on religion. I just know that BYU rules and the ewetes drool. :cheer:

this reminded me of a joke:

After a long life, k whit dies and goes to heaven. When he arrives, he tells God all that he has accomplished as HC of the yewts: I have put players in the NFL, I have kept a winning record, etc. God says, yeah, you did pretty good with what you had. I shall reward you. So he takes k whit to a small house with a slightly torn yewt flag in the yard, and faded yewt stained glass in the window. God says that not many people get a house like this, so he should be happy. k whit is pleased, then he looks around and sees a huge sparkling mansion just down the street with a large BYU flag in the yard and immaculate Y stained glass windows. He turns to God and says, Not to sound ungrateful, but why does Bronco Mendenhall get a huge mansion like that and I get this small house? God looks at the mansion and then back at k whit and says, What? That isn't Bronco Mendenhall's house, its mine!

From my perspective:

Brigham Young Univeristy is not the "Lord's University"

Actually at a BYUI devotional one of them (or maybe it was just a GA but I don't think so) did refer to it as "the Lord's University"

Here's the breakdown

BYUI-Smaller and the Honor Code is a lot more strict. The higher law if you will. It must be the Celestial School.

BYU-Larger but slightly lower standard. Sound Familiar..........Terrestial School.

BYU-Hawaii Don't know much about the school but by default it is the Telestial School.

UofU- People that know the truth but have rejected it.....school of perdition.

Very nice, very nice indeed. Being a student of both BYU Hawaii and BYU I must comment. The standards are actually a bit stricter at BYU Hawaii than they are in Provo. This has to do with modesty being a very stressed doctrine by the early missionaries to the Polynesians. As a result, the honor code is a little bit more strictly adhered to in Hawaii---not just in the school, but even in the community.

Also, a comment regarding something earlier said about "Utah Mormons": The thing most people forget (& many at BYUH are judgemental of Provo) is that the MAJORITY of students at BYU are NOT FROM UTAH. Many out of state students bring what they believe things are supposed to be like in Utah with them and all that comes with that. I don't believe the phenomenon of "Utah Mormons" is nearly as advertised, especially as believed by out of staters. The best wards I have been in was BY FAR in Utah. The worst wards I have been in have not been in Utah. The point is that it goes both ways. Some of you have probably had the opposite experience.

There is great good to be learned from every part of this world and we should take advantage of it---after all, God did create the whole earth for man's use. Hopefully we can all be a little more open and a little less judgmental in all we do.

Side note, the Cougs will dominate in NM this weekend and I CAN'T WAIT---I just like watching them play (even at Tulsa)!

-G

ttexastim wrote:

From my perspective:

Brigham Young Univeristy is not the "Lord's University" because it does not bear His name. BYU is Brigham Youngs school. Yes, he was a prophet, but a prophet is a person, and is not perfect. On my mission we had to teach this principle a lot. How can a church be Christs if it does not bear His name? How can a University be His if it does not bear His name?

Oh yeah, baby, I'm liking this analogy. So what your saying is that because the Boy Scouts of America isn't named "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Boy Scouts of America" I no longer have to attend scout camp????!!!YES, YES, YES, YES!!! I can't wait to talk to my bishop next Sunday!

And I'm going to tell my wife she no longer has to attend "Enrichment". This will come in handy this winter when there is a conflict with BYU basketball...uh, I mean The Church Of Jesus Christ of BYU Basketball.

Good grief Charlie Brown This thread is killing me. Utahn or not, Mormons have a great sense of humor.

zoologicalparkB wrote:

Data is not the plural of anecdote. I was personally on the admissions committee three years and worked in academic recruitment. I've recently been involved with the Hinckley Scholars. Unless there has been a recent great change since I left that work our index of grades and courses taken and standardized test scores never gave any plus to outside of Utah students, and in admissions committee meetings I never saw such a bias, nor was I ever directed to provide such a bias. There is no statistically significant difference in the scores of Utah students versus out of Utah students as admitted, or after at the university. Grades are always compared with course selection, including number of college prep and advanced placement classes. To decide that a student's scores were better or worse than your own would require a relatively intrusive comparing of classes taken and grades and GPA. It's not just GPA and ACT or SAT. I kind of doubt that you had access to such data on folks you knew.

It may be recent that Pres. Monson said what Snoscythe's wife heard, but back in the day when I was on the committee, there was no such direction given. I also haven't heard about such a direction since either and I have been recently involved in the admissions division. I don't quite get why there is such a belief that Utah students are at a disadvantage, but I personally never was given any direction to give an advantage to out of state students, and we agressively recruited academically in Utah.

Why believe anecdote and second hand sources on this issue? Did I mention I worked on the admissions committee personally?

First of all, your story is likewise anecdotal in nature, so you might want to bear that in mind before you start lambasting other's posts--where are the data??? Second, my 'anecdote' is also first person, as I was present when my wife asked President Monson and I was privy to the conversation. That conversation took place Summer '06 at a family reunion, so perhaps your experience was previous to some policy change. It is not an insinuation that BYU has bias, but rather a statement that BYU has a purpose and experience that can be met at schools with a good institute program.