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AF_Puma | Saturday, January 13, 2007, 7:43 pm
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By Jim Vallen
COUGARBLUE
An interview with former BYU Cougar lineman, Dustin Rykert
One of my favorite pictures of past BYU football games is one after Luke Staley busted open for a touchdown run in the 2001 BYU vs. Utah game played in Provo, Utah at LaVell Edwards stadium. In this picture, one of his linemen, Dustin Rykert, the huge left tackle, is seen hoisting Luke up in the air in celebration like he was picking up some little child. His muscles flexing and showing off the strength behind what made him a three-year All-Mountain West Conference (MWC) player. There just has always been something special about come from behind wins against Utah as we experienced again this last season. They leave lasting memories.
Last year I moved to Eagle Mountain, Utah and one day while I was sitting in a room at church waiting for a class to start, in walks this huge man that barely cleared the bottom of the door frame as he walked in. Borrowing a phase I hear my children use a lot these days--he was gianormous.
I just knew that this guy had to have played football at one time, so I walked over and I introduced myself and when he told me his name I knew, and I remembered back to that picture that was still recorded in my mind of a very happy day as a BYU Cougar fan.
Dustin Rykert was born on April 18, 1980 in Carmichael, California, the fourth child of five children born to Michele Stephens and Dennis Rykert. He has two older sisters, one older brother and one younger. His older brother Derric, was a 6-4, 235 lb quarterback who played at Ricks College and later for the local pro team, the Wasatch Wildcats, of the MLFA. Currently he is the Fitness and Recreation Director in American Fork, Utah.
His younger brother Drew signed on with Southern Utah University after a stellar high school career at Lone Peak High in Highland, Utah, but served a mission to New York first. He currently is listed on the Thunderbird’s roster as a 6-1, 230 lb linebacker just having completed his sophomore year where he played mainly on special teams.
During his playing career, Dustin was listed at 6-7, 322 lbs.
Recently I caught up with Dustin at his home in Eagle Mountain to find out his perspective of his career in football and what his current endeavors are.
JV: “You were by far the largest child of your family. Where did you get your height from?”
DR: “I don’t know for sure. I do have an uncle, Bill Nunez, which was 6-5. He played at University of the Pacific and later at UCLA.
JV: “Did your uncle ever play ball past his days on the UCLA football team?”
DR: “No, the first kickoff of his first eligible year at UCLA he blew out both of his knees. The following year he had worked back both of his knees and then he blew out his shoulder. He ended up going back to Vallejo, California in the Napa area where he was a football coach and a PE teacher. Sadly he died at age 35 of colon cancer.”
JV: “At what age did you start your football career?”
DR: “I started out in sports playing soccer, basketball and baseball. In California there are weight limits in the Pop Warner football leagues. There were age groups and you had to be a certain weight. When I was ten I weighed 115 pounds and if I were to play I would have had to play with the fourteen year olds, the kids who were just young enough that they couldn’t yet play high school ball. My family, nor I, wanted me to get hurt playing with kids that much older. It seems like a lot of my friends who started playing football at that younger age had dropped out of football while in high school because they were burnt out of football. They were tired of spending all of there summers practicing and being bossed around by coaches. There wasn’t much fun to it.
I’m thankful that my mom said, “There’s no reason to get you out there and get hurt.” So I was the water-boy for all of my buddies and I went to all of their games and I had a good time. I think that might have increased my hunger to play later when I was finally allowed to play in high school.
The summer between eighth grade and my freshman year at Oakmont High School in Roseville, California, where I was raised, I had grown four inches and put on about twenty-five pounds. When I got there the coaches looked at me and were kind of excited and they moved me right on up to the JV team.”
JV: “So then by your sophomore year were you still playing with the JV team?”
DR: Yes, I stayed there. I went through my freshman year, the first year I ever played organized football, I was just kind of big and I was kind of growing into myself. My varsity coach wanted me to develop more. I think in high school I was looked at more or less as just a big body who was undeveloped and didn’t have a lot of techniques to be successful and assist me to excel in football.
When I was a sophomore I fell off a cliff and I broke my back. That kind of put the coaches in a mode of wondering if I was going to recover sufficiently or not.
But then in my junior year I worked really hard. I worked all summer long developing myself. I continued on and worked even harder the following summer after my junior year. What knocked me back though was that in June after my junior year I found out I had Diabetes. That really changed my life because I was playing with a whole different ball game. I had to learn Diabetes management with all of the issues of diet and medication. I had a lot of things that I had to adjust to, but I did very well my senior year and I received a lot of recognition [He was second-team all-league at Oakmont High and lettered twice in football and basketball].”
JV: “According to your bio, you were recruited by BYU, California, Oregon State, and Washington.
DR: I had verbally committed to Cal-Berkley after my senior season while playing basketball
California’s line coach, Tom Cable, left Cal to go over to the University of Colorado as the offensive line coach [Tom Cable went on to be the offensive coordinator at Colorado, head coach at University of Idaho, UCLA offensive coordinator and currently coaches the offensive line for the Atlanta Falcons of the NFL] and that kind of disgruntled me a little bit because he was part of the reason I was considering Cal. Cal had brought in this older guy as an offensive line coach when I went in January of 1998 on my official trip and I just didn’t feel very good about it [That “older guy” that Tom Holmoe, who was head coach at Cal at this time, hired to replace Tom Cable as the offensive line coach was 61 year-old Monte Clark, who was the former head coach of the San Francisco 49ers (1976) and the Detroit Lions (1978-84)]. So I signed a national letter of intent with BYU.
My mom, one of my sisters, my two brothers all moved to Utah to be close by. My one sister and my father still live in California.”
JV: “Is your mother much of a football fan?”
DR: “Yea. She had to be taught the game, but she’s been quite the trooper to follow us. She’s traveled long and far to see her sons play and has sat through a lot of miserable weather.”
JV: “Your bio states that you were recruited by BYU, California, Oregon State, and Washington. Which of these schools officially offered you a scholarship?”
DR: “I kind of put everybody out of the picture real early with giving Cal a verbal. I committed to them during basketball season because I was scared that I might get hurt in basketball and I’d get stuck with no offers.
Tom Holmoe [BYU's current Athletic Director] was the coach at Cal at the time. I had gone down on a recruiting trip down to Oakland and he took my mom and me to the Oakland Temple. We went out on top and looked out over the city. He had told us that he worked a lot with the missionaries in the area and had some kind of church responsibility in that area. He told my mom that he wanted to help me out in that area. I hadn’t been too active in the Church coming out of California especially after my parents split up. Mom went to church and always encouraged us to go as well, but she didn’t force us to go and she left it up to ourselves to decide. I just wasn’t very active at the time.”
JV: “Who was your recruiter at BYU at that time?”
DR: “Tom Ramage (Tom Ramage retired from BYU in 2001 after thirty years of coaching).
I went out there [Provo]. It was kind of a funny story. I had already committed to Cal. We had a girl in our neighborhood that lived across the street from our home. She was my older brother’s age. She was actually dating one of the football grad assistants at BYU. She asked her boy friend, ‘Why aren’t you guys recruiting this guy? He’s a Mormon and he’s huge and a good football player?’
So this GA goes back to BYU and they get some film on me and they then sent Robbie Bosco out to my house because he was from my hometown of Roseville too.
When he came out, I let him in, but I was kind of thinking, ‘Man, I’m already committed to Cal.’. I sat down and went back to doing my math homework and as he’d say something I’d kind of shrug him off thinking, ‘Yea, whatever.’ He continued to ask me questions and I’m going, ‘Un huh. Yea…yea…yea.’ not really wanting to appear like I was listening much. He still won’t let me live down the way I treated him by giving him the cold shoulder to this day and always kids me about it.
He just asked me to listen to what BYU had to say and then he went back to Provo.
Soon, Tom [Ramage] called and apologized for having gotten involved so late in the recruiting process with me and told me they were sending out Coach LaVell Edwards to visit me about two weeks after Robbie. At that point I thought to myself that maybe this was the real deal.
When you sat in the room with LaVell, even if you’re not LDS or even know a lot about BYU, you just felt his presence and you knew for yourself that he was a guy that knew and had been around football because he really knew his stuff.
At that point I started to reconsider my original commitment to Cal and I committed to a recruiting trip at BYU. I went on a recruiting trip first to Cal and then to BYU and when I got back I had been impressed enough with BYU that I decided to change my commitment and go to BYU.”
JV: “Did you enjoy your time at BYU?”
DR: “It was different for me. It was definitely a bit of a culture shock to go from California to Provo, Utah. It was hard. I’m not going to lie about that. It’s hard to keep your nose clean and stay out of trouble. For the most part you had to be looking over your shoulder. Not that I was doing things that I had to look over my shoulder. It wasn’t that I was wild or anything, but the campus life there is a bit different then what you would find on most college campuses. But it was good.”
JV: “Talk to me about your coaches at BYU that you worked with. I believe Roger French was your first coach.”
DR: “Roger French was hard to get used to. At first, when I went up there I though I was not destined to play football. He tore me down physically and tore down the confidence I had in myself. I just reached a point where I thought I was not meant to play football.
Then towards my sophomore year, when I started to not like listen to what he was saying but understanding more the message he was trying to get across, just because of the way he communicated, then things got better. He was an older guy and was kind of the old school of doing things and just felt that he needed to beat down his players first before building them up. So I started to see the message in what he was teaching and saying. So once I was able, I called it a filtration system that you had to put in your ear, to just let all of the other stuff come in and go out and I was able to get the message that he was communicating to stick, that’s when I started to feel successful and I was able to keep him off of my back and keep him pleased with what I was doing.
So I kind of caught onto that and through time, like a kid who’s parents were tough and he later looks back and now understands what they were trying to teach him, I now realize the message he was getting across was beneficial. When I reflect back on it now I realize that the guy really knew his stuff and I wish I would have absorbed a lot more then, than trying to take so much personally and getting so offended by everything.
Then Mike Empey became my coach. That year I came out and he taught me a lot of good things. He had played at BYU. He was kind of a new-age coach and so I related to him a little better and I learned a lot.
When Gary Crowton became head coach at BYU, in his second season, he assigned Coach Lance Reynolds to be my position coach.
All three of these guys were totally different personality guys.
Reynolds was definitely a player’s coach. He is a great guy. I could never say anything bad about him. He taught you the principles and what you should know and left it up to you to execute. His philosophy was that if you want to be good, you’ll go out there and you’ll work hard and you’ll listen and work on the things he was teaching you. If you’re not listening or working, then that was your loss. That was your missed opportunity.
That was the attitude he took. So with that, when he raised his voice, you knew then that it was go time. Coach Reynolds didn’t have to raise his voice very often to get his point across.
JV: “Now your first year at BYU was 1998. Did you redshirt that year?”
DR: “Yea, I redshirted that year as John Tait was a junior. He was the starting left tack then. Then he left and I was kind of hoping to fill in for him, but Roger French, the offensive line coach didn’t think that I had progressed along enough so I played a lot of special teams during my redshirt freshman year in 1999. I got a little back up play, but that was about it on the offensive line.
My Sophomore year we went down to Florida State in the Coaches Classic game and that is where I had my first start. I started from then on in my college career.”
JV: “In a June 27, 2002 CougarBlue article about the 2002 offensive line, I found the statement,
‘I believe that the 2002 offense has all the parts and components to prove better than the 2001 offense and it all starts with the offensive line…We should have an outstanding offensive line this coming year for several reasons. The first reason being Dustin Rykert. I've been to more than a few BYU practices scrimmages over the past couple of years. I can't remember many in which Dustin Rykert was not in the middle of some type of scuffle. Make no mistake about it, Dustin Rykert is one mean SOB. The type of SOB that makes for a great offensive lineman. Rykert has it all. He has bulk (310), height (6-7), experience (2 year starter) and a nasty attitude. Surely, this kid makes a practice of getting under DL's skins as he does at practically every scrimmage that I've witnessed. He should make like DLs of other MWC teams absolutely furious this coming season.’
Then I read on the official Oakland Raiders web site a glowing article about you the year you were drafted in the NFL that says you were called “The Big Nasty” in college.
How did you develop such a reputation? Did it start from the beginning of your career at BYU by your fellow teammates or how did it come about?”
DR: “At the end of my junior year I was heavily considering forgoing my senior year and going out into the NFL draft. My mom though wanted me to stay in school and finish my degree, so eventually I agreed that it was best to do that.
That summer though, I was out watching the seniors doing their pro-day with all of the NFL scouts and there was a scout from the St. Louis Rams that was there. He came over to me and told me that he had really enjoyed watching my film and how I got after guys. He told me that I appeared to have a real tenacity about getting after guys by slapping them in the head and getting in their ear. He said that my nastiness was going to take me a long way in the NFL. He said, ‘You should make a name for yourself. Maybe call yourself “the Big Nasty” or something.’
So I thought about that, ‘Hmmm, the Big Nasty. Yea, I like that.’
So I started popping off about that and saying small stuff to the guys about that and it just started to stick. So then my senior year the title just kind of came on more and more.”
JV: “Do college coaches actually teach that kind of aggressive behavior and tell you to jump in guy’s face?”
DR: “Roger French was at BYU up until the time that LaVell Edwards left. He was an ‘old school’ kind of guy. You could see the guy’s eyes light up when we were watching film and when he would see you making second efforts when the refs hadn’t blown the whistle yet and you see a guy standing there and you just dropped them. He’d just sit there and rewind it and rewind it and show it over and over again and he just loved it and you just wanted to make him happy.
Also you could see the reaction of defensive players in the game. They have a one-track mind in that they want to get to the quarterback and get the ball. If you can take them off of that track to start thinking about you and the things that you are calling them and that you’re saying and reminding them that their ribs hurt or something; if you’re taking them off of their track they get completely off their game. That’s just something that I learned and I kind of adopted. The nastier you are, the more you can get into their head and win the battle.”
JV: “What kind of things would you say specifically out there in the trenches? Did you say things like, “I’m going to knock you down.” Or did you just challenge them or say something like, ‘You’re mother wears Army boots’ or what?
DR: “You’d tell them that they were going to be here all day. You hit them once hard really good and you’d lay on top of them and just let them know that this is how it’s going to be all day. That gets their blood boiling and they try to come a little bit harder and then you just play their anger against them. If they come and try to dip their heads on you, you just slam their heads in the ground and lay on top of them and tell them, ‘You ain’t got nothin!’ You challenge their manhood and get them riled up.”
JV: “The Liberty Bowl. December 31, 2001 in Memphis, Tennessee. Here’s what it says in the recap of the game at the official BYU sports website (www.byucougars.com):
‘The Cougars tied things up at 7-7 when Brandon Doman lateraled to Dustin Rykert for a 10-yard run on a little tackle-eligible trick-o-ration. For the play, Rykert, a 6-foot-7, 305 pound left tackle was named BYU's Offensive Player of the Game.’
Tell me about that play.”
DR: “That year, we had won the Mountain West Conference. When Utah had come down to Provo to play us, in the game where we came back from eleven points down with less than four minutes to play, they had used a play when they were stuck with something like fourth and eleven. They ran a play with their tackle, Jordan Gross. Coach Crowton had been impressed with that play. It kind of went off in his head. He thought, ‘Hey, we’ve got an athlete that can do that.’ [Interestingly in an interview after the game Gary Crowton said, ‘I wish they would make that play illegal, or maybe I just need to add it to my offense.’ Which he did.] So he sat me down the week after that game and asked me if I was interested in running the ball. I said, ‘Sure.’ So we put the play in the next week to use it against Hawaii. It wasn’t used in that game, but we ran the play every day in practice up to the bowl game.
When we got down to about the ten-yard line in the Liberty Bowl game, I knew he was going to call it and he did. I had told all of my family and buddies to be looking out for that play.
Prior to my wedding day last year, that was probably to best day of my life.
We lost the game and that wasn’t cool, but it was probably the high point in my college football career. Not many offensive lineman get to say that they scored a touchdown.”
JV: “Who was the best defensive lineman you ever faced?”
DR: “Dwight Freeney from the University of Syracuse [Dwight is a 6-1, 268 lb defensive end who set an NCAA record with 17 ½ sacks for the 2001 season. He was the #1 draft pick (#11 overall) for the Indianapolis Colts in 2002 and has started for them the last five years. He had 13 sacks in his rookie year in the NFL.]. I don’t think I’ve ever felt so frustrated or so helpless in my whole career as I did in that game in Syracuse in 2000. We came out and we were on the turf [Carrier Dome] and I have turf shoes on. I’ve got turf on the back heels of them and we’re playing in LaVell’s last year and so they’re trying to spread it out. Bret Engemann got hurt that game [he suffered a separated shoulder in the first half] and we had Charlie Peterson in. I couldn’t hear the snap count so I’m trying to look at the ball and Freeney is just teeing off. The guy was just phenomenal and super fast. You can still see how fast he is in the NFL and what he does to left tackles there. He annihilated me. I think he got three or four sacks that game [Freeney had 2 unassisted and 1 assisted sacks]. He just ate me up and eventually the coach took me out of the game a little bit to let me settle down and then later they put me back in. He was definitely frustrating.”
JV: “So your college career came to an end after the 2002 season. You were drafted in the 6th round of the NFL draft by the Oakland Raiders. What was the experience to be drafted in the NFL like?”
DR: “It was cool. My family and I were sitting around watching TV and the first day went by and I knew I probably wasn’t going to go the first day. So the second day went by and the fourth round and I saw guys go ahead of me that were offensive lineman and I thought ‘Oh no!’ I’d played with a few of these guys at the Hula Bowl and I knew them. There’s a lot of politics in the NFL. I’m not trying to make excuses, but a lot of the guys, I was just surprised that they went as early as they did. Then the fifth round came and I was kind of frustrated and then we were in the sixth round and Oakland came up for a pick. I was thinking, “That would be cool.” I was playing on a Playstation on the TV next to the TV where we had the draft on. I was trying to just work through some of my anxiety and I just happened to glance over at the TV and I saw my name on the screen. I kind of hesitated for a second. My whole family was there and they all started jumping up and we were all hugging and all. I thought, “Oh my gosh I’m going back to California.”
Then the Oakland Raider head coach, Bill Callahan [now the head coach at the University of Nebraska], called and congratulated me.
So I went to California and everything looked very promising. I thought physically I was doing everything well, but the mental part of it was kind of tough. Then towards the end of camp my Diabetes started to flare up and was wearing on me. I’d be out there and suddenly get low blood sugar and that would make it very difficult to stay focused to what was going on. With low blood sugar it is quite a struggle to function very well. Then I had a couple of practices where my low blood sugar was so bad that I had to be taken out. I know there were probably a few other things that played into it, but they told me that they just felt it was too much of a risk and they were going to stay with another guy that had been there for a couple or three years as a backup and as a practice team guy. So they kept him.
I was let go on the last day of camp on the last deadline.
That was a very disappointing day in my life. I had a lot of people back in my hometown of Roseville that were hoping that I’d make it in there and were supporting me and that was hard.
I ended up moving back to California for a while. I bounced back from California to Utah and then I switched sports agents and I moved to southern California. There I started working out with Jackie Slater [Jackie is Hall-of-Fame NFL lineman who played for twenty years in the NFL] who was the offensive line coach for the Raiders this year. I started working and training with him. Soon after I got a workout with the Kansas City Chiefs after the 2003 draft.
I went out to Kansas City and they sent me back here for a little bit and then I returned to Kansas City for the rookie camp. They ended up going with a younger guy they had drafted and that was the end of my NFL experience.
JV: “So with your NFL career over, what happened next?”
DR: “I returned to Utah and I played for the Wasatch Warriors, the local arena football team for half the season. I didn’t like how things where going there on that team and I got a call to go down to San Diego to play for the arena team there. They paid for me to come on down and it appeared to me to be a better opportunity. Things went well, but it was there that I blew out my ankle and ended my professional football playing career.”
JV: “What’s the difference like playing in the NFL and then playing arena football?”
DR: “Well football is football. You have to still play you and the guy in front of you and you use a lot of the same techniques, but it’s just a faster game. Everything is so much shorter and compact. You have just as fast of guys, maybe not a big as the NFL, but the skill players seem just as fast. It’s a pretty exciting game. I kind of like to watch it.”
JV: “Did the head coach affect you much as a player?”
DR: “No. LaVell was great and he was a great delegator. He wasn’t necessarily hands-on. He would drive around in his golf cart. He was at the end of his career when I was there so he sort of just ran around the practice field in his golf cart checking things out and making sure things were running smoothly. He made sure people weren’t swearing too much at practice and that the coaches were doing their jobs. He made sure that the principles and the tradition that he had developed at Brigham Young remained strong there.
When Coach Gary Crowton came on board it was like a new regime. There was new terminology being used and such.
JV: “Gary Crowton’s first year you go 12-2 and then the second year the team tanks and goes 5-7, the first losing year at BYU since Coach Edward’s second season in 1973. What was that experience like?”
DR: “It was miserable. It was just bad all around. I have heard it said on sport talk radio that the guy who replaces “The Guy” isn’t the guy, but it’s the guy who replaces the guy who replaced “The Guy” that is usually successful. Confusing, but it describes what happened at BYU. Crowton was kind of a rebound and he didn’t seem to know how to balance all of the components of the team. BYU is definitely a unique situation for a coach. It’s probably one of the tougher head coaching jobs in the country with all of the politics and the religion and all. It’s tough to balance out the missionary program with the players and there is a lot of stuff other that football that a coach has to deal with.
I just believe that was just a bit overwhelming for Crowton and that probably, in my opinion, what lead to the end of his career at BYU.”
JV: “Have you had a chance to meet Coach Bronco Mendenhall?”
DR: “I’ve been down to Provo since he’s been the head coach. He had invited all of the past players down there for that first spring game and subsequently. He’s talked to all of us about helping him recruit and of letting him know if we run across athletes in our areas that they might look at. He told us about the web site they have set up to help coordinate this effort. He showed us the stats of LDS athletes that were out there at Pac-10 schools and other Mountain West Conference schools and how they’d like to become aware of these athletes in the recruiting process so they could evaluate them and make offers to those that would fit well into BYU. He said if they are LDS and they are good guys, that there should be some sort of dialogue. For non-LDS guys that fit that mold as well.
He’s setting the standard down there and he’s setting it high and I’ve got to commend him for that. It’s hard to do, especially nowadays with the pop-culture and the teenage lifestyles to know that you’re getting a quality kid that’s going to be going to class and keeping his nose clean. You’ve got to meet a lot of requirements these days to even qualify for a recruiting trip to BYU. I think he’s definitely heading in the right direction. He just seems to have a really good plan put together to be successful and I definitely have to commend him. They had a super season this last year. I’m impressed with the results.”
JV: ”Which player on the team were you closest too in your time at BYU?”
DR: “Brett Keisel. He was my room mate starting in my junior year. He plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers now. We keep in touch. He’s doing real well there. I wear my Steelers shirt now and then. I like the team. I liked Bill Cowher as the coach there. It was a successful program.
JV: “You received your degree from BYU. I believe it was in Recreation Management. So since you have left football, what have you been involved with professionally?”
DR: “Yes, I did receive my degree in Recreation Management.
I’ve worked in various sales positions over the years and I didn’t really enjoy that, so I went on back to something I had done here and there in working as a trainer. I worked at Gold’s Gym for a period of time. While I was there a guy came in and offered for me to do some security work with XanGo [XanGo headquarters is located in Lehi, Utah and they sell XanGo®, a juice dietary supplement.]. I consulted with them for a while and then I was asked to come on as an employee for XanGo dealing with the security of their buildings. I do security work for their executive staff when it is needed. I guess if I’m not protecting the quarterback, I might as well be protecting someone who will pay me for it.
JV: “You were married last year correct?”
DR: “Yes, I was married in July of 2006. I had met my wife, Janae, in my junior year at BYU. I was engaged at the time. She got married at that time and had a son named Liam [Liam is the cutest little four-year old boy that was there at the interview listening to our conversation in between watching some children’s program on the TV. It was obvious that he thought the world of his new step-father and the feeling was mutual.], but things didn’t work out for her in her marriage and she ended up getting a divorce. I ran into her one day at the gym and I sat in her section as she was working as a waitress at Chili’s restaurant and we just hit it off so well. We dated for couple of years and then got married last July. We’re expecting a baby in September and things are going great.”
They do seem to be going well for Justin. He’s really excited about this new phase of his life as a husband and father. I had asked him if he followed the Cougars much these days and he said to me that he’ll catch a game here and there on the TV (not as much this year for obvious mtn. reasons), but doesn’t go to the games in Provo. He said he’s reached a point where he’s said goodbye to football to the degree that at one point it was his whole life and he’s moved on. He told me, “With a family, I like to be with them doing family things.”
He still likes basketball though. Just happens he’s on my ward team. I can’t tell you how great it is to know that I never have to guard “The Big Nasty.”
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